Stop chasing loudness โ€” you're killing your mix

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I keep cranking the limiter trying to match commercial releases and the song just gets smaller and uglier. Pros' loud masters somehow still breathe. What is actually going on at that stage?

asked by engineer42ยท 1 week ago
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masterhouseยท 6 days agoWorking Professional Verified Contributor

Mastering engineer for 14 years. The brutal truth: 90% of 'why isn't my master loud enough' threads should actually be 'why is my mix bus a mess'. You can't out-limit a muddy low end. The chain that actually works: 1. Soft-clip the drum transients first โ€” 1โ€“2 dB. This is what gives you headroom for free. 2. Transparent limiter (Pro-L 2, Newfangled Elevate, Ozone Maximizer): 2โ€“3 dB GR. 3. Finishing limiter: the last 1โ€“2 dB. Total of 5โ€“6 dB GR distributed across three stages. One limiter doing 6 dB sounds crushed. Three doing 2 dB each sounds loud and alive. But before any of that โ€” go back to the mix and tame uncontrolled 40โ€“80 Hz. Clean low end limits 3 dB louder for free, no plugin required. Most 'distorted masters' aren't a mastering problem at all.

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ampliloudยท 5 days agoPro Insight

Honest take: stop competing with major-label loudness. Spotify, Apple, YouTube all normalize. A -8 LUFS master and a -12 LUFS master play back at roughly the same perceived level on streaming. The -12 master keeps its punch. The -8 doesn't. Loudness wars ended in 2014; nobody told the bedroom producers.

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